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	<description>&#34;How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives.&#34;  Annie Dillard</description>
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		<title>By: cynthia</title>
		<link>http://catchingdays.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2009/10/26/a-practice/#comment-1603</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for reading, Jennifer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for reading, Jennifer.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
		<link>http://catchingdays.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2009/10/26/a-practice/#comment-1597</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Cindy! That&#039;s very helpful - and I may use it in my philosophy of writing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Cindy! That&#8217;s very helpful &#8211; and I may use it in my philosophy of writing!</p>
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		<title>By: jenniferneri</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a great article, so honest and moving. I completely relate to it, coming as I did out of my science background. The glass slipper fits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great article, so honest and moving. I completely relate to it, coming as I did out of my science background. The glass slipper fits.</p>
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		<title>By: cynthia</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Annie-Your class, discussing the ways literary studies, composition, and creative writing intersect, sounds so interesting. I do think workshops can be helpful because each single reader brings his or her own stuff to a read but if you gather a group, you are more likely to weed the individual stuff out and receive feedback that will be useful to revision. 

The whole debate of author intention versus what&#039;s on the page is so interesting that it merits its own post. My first thoughts are that the writer&#039;s intention comes into play at certain points in the process. But once the writing is in a form far enough along to submit to a workshop, I do think the words should speak for themselves, more because of the possibilities the words offer than the obvious fact that the writer can&#039;t accompany the writing everywhere to explain what he or she meant. 

In September at our most recent writing group workshop, I became convinced of the usefulness of not letting the writer speak. There is often so much more on the page than the writer is aware of. Letting the writer speak would limit the discussion to intention rather than open it up to possibility. Afterward, intention can come back into play. The writer can take what she or he learned is on the page and change, add to, or delete.

Great comment. Thanks, Annie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie-Your class, discussing the ways literary studies, composition, and creative writing intersect, sounds so interesting. I do think workshops can be helpful because each single reader brings his or her own stuff to a read but if you gather a group, you are more likely to weed the individual stuff out and receive feedback that will be useful to revision. </p>
<p>The whole debate of author intention versus what&#8217;s on the page is so interesting that it merits its own post. My first thoughts are that the writer&#8217;s intention comes into play at certain points in the process. But once the writing is in a form far enough along to submit to a workshop, I do think the words should speak for themselves, more because of the possibilities the words offer than the obvious fact that the writer can&#8217;t accompany the writing everywhere to explain what he or she meant. </p>
<p>In September at our most recent writing group workshop, I became convinced of the usefulness of not letting the writer speak. There is often so much more on the page than the writer is aware of. Letting the writer speak would limit the discussion to intention rather than open it up to possibility. Afterward, intention can come back into play. The writer can take what she or he learned is on the page and change, add to, or delete.</p>
<p>Great comment. Thanks, Annie.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
		<link>http://catchingdays.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2009/10/26/a-practice/#comment-1585</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P.S. Just out of curiosity - what do you think about workshops? Do you follow the model of not letting the writer speak?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Just out of curiosity &#8211; what do you think about workshops? Do you follow the model of not letting the writer speak?</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
		<link>http://catchingdays.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2009/10/26/a-practice/#comment-1584</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Annie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Cindy, 

It&#039;s fascinating to me that you say you were putting both the reader&#039;s and the writer&#039;s voices on the page. My class called Approaches to Teaching Writing is focusing on ways that literary studies, composition, and creative writing intersect. We just read a chapter from  _The Workshop_  by Tom Grimes that addresses this very issue. He writes about the Iowa Writer&#039;s Workshop and the influence of the theorists who ignore authorial desire. Essentially, the workshop model insists that writer&#039;s intentions don&#039;t matter - it&#039;s about just the words on the page. I think this is so interesting, particularly in relation to your thoughtful piece, because as writer&#039;s we *know* the feeling we want our readers to experience, but it&#039;s so hard to get there indirectly. Of course, that&#039;s also what makes reading so great - that there&#039;s beauty and the possibility of interpretation! In any case, I so enjoyed reading about your journey to becoming a writer. (If you were in my class, we would have called it your &quot;literacy narrative.&quot; Oh, school!) 

Annie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cindy, </p>
<p>It&#8217;s fascinating to me that you say you were putting both the reader&#8217;s and the writer&#8217;s voices on the page. My class called Approaches to Teaching Writing is focusing on ways that literary studies, composition, and creative writing intersect. We just read a chapter from  _The Workshop_  by Tom Grimes that addresses this very issue. He writes about the Iowa Writer&#8217;s Workshop and the influence of the theorists who ignore authorial desire. Essentially, the workshop model insists that writer&#8217;s intentions don&#8217;t matter &#8211; it&#8217;s about just the words on the page. I think this is so interesting, particularly in relation to your thoughtful piece, because as writer&#8217;s we *know* the feeling we want our readers to experience, but it&#8217;s so hard to get there indirectly. Of course, that&#8217;s also what makes reading so great &#8211; that there&#8217;s beauty and the possibility of interpretation! In any case, I so enjoyed reading about your journey to becoming a writer. (If you were in my class, we would have called it your &#8220;literacy narrative.&#8221; Oh, school!) </p>
<p>Annie</p>
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		<title>By: cynthia</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linda, that&#039;s the only red flag I&#039;ve noticed. Reading out loud helps. Sometimes I can catch it by asking myself, &lt;em&gt;what sentences can I do without?&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda, that&#8217;s the only red flag I&#8217;ve noticed. Reading out loud helps. Sometimes I can catch it by asking myself, <em>what sentences can I do without?</em></p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article, Cynthia. I&#039;m intrigued with this:

&quot;When I write, I’ve been putting both voices—the reader’s and the writer’s—on the page, which then left the reader nothing to do.&quot;

Now, of course, I&#039;m wondering if I do the same thing. You mentioned &quot;apparently&quot; as a red flag for you. Are there other typical words that signal crossing over into reader mode?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Cynthia. I&#8217;m intrigued with this:</p>
<p>&#8220;When I write, I’ve been putting both voices—the reader’s and the writer’s—on the page, which then left the reader nothing to do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, of course, I&#8217;m wondering if I do the same thing. You mentioned &#8220;apparently&#8221; as a red flag for you. Are there other typical words that signal crossing over into reader mode?</p>
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		<title>By: cynthia</title>
		<link>http://catchingdays.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2009/10/26/a-practice/#comment-1579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cynthia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kim-I didn&#039;t realize you were a lawyer too. How fun that we&#039;ve both made the switch. I have two other friends who&#039;ve done the same thing. It seems that what both professions have in common is a love of language, but I guess the similarity ends there. Crossing over is an interesting process, isn&#039;t it? I don&#039;t know about you, but I was never passionate about the law. But writing, yes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim-I didn&#8217;t realize you were a lawyer too. How fun that we&#8217;ve both made the switch. I have two other friends who&#8217;ve done the same thing. It seems that what both professions have in common is a love of language, but I guess the similarity ends there. Crossing over is an interesting process, isn&#8217;t it? I don&#8217;t know about you, but I was never passionate about the law. But writing, yes.</p>
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		<title>By: cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cynthia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Dory. I&#039;ve discovered that when I use the word &quot;apparently,&quot; it&#039;s a flashing sign that what&#039;s about to follow might be the reader&#039;s voice.

Here&#039;s the example where it was first clear to me what was going on:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Don&#039;t go,&quot; I said, surprising myself. How many times in my dreams had I wanted him to leave? [Apparently real life was another thing.] I took a step toward him.&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Dory. I&#8217;ve discovered that when I use the word &#8220;apparently,&#8221; it&#8217;s a flashing sign that what&#8217;s about to follow might be the reader&#8217;s voice.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the example where it was first clear to me what was going on:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Don&#8217;t go,&#8221; I said, surprising myself. How many times in my dreams had I wanted him to leave? [Apparently real life was another thing.] I took a step toward him.</em></p>
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